For about 2 years I was a member of the MMBase developers list and today I decided to quit. Compared to the Apache.org lists i'm still subscribed to this list was a joke. Basically the whole community consists of a handful developers that have been on this project since it started and are not willing to let new people in their world. My main frustration was that the Lucenemodule I wrote that was not part of their project and is hosted on Sourceforge was copied into a 'new' project by one of the committors... In real opensource projects people help out each other and join forces but not here. Recently after the latest release of  my version the committors of the clone seemed to have simply copied one of the new features I added to my module to their codebase! Last week they proposed a vote to add the clone module to be part of the 'contributions' of MMBase which was not questioned by any of the voters and basically that was it for me....